Okay. So, I get tons of questions all the time from people that want to know about us and about you. And since you're a lot more private than me, we're just going to— That's not hard to be. Well, we're going to answer some of their questions. Okay. Okay. So, are you ready? I'm ready. Okay. So, the question that we do get over and over again is, how did the two of us meet? I was in Miami with a friend because she was at the same conference that you were at in January of 2017. Right. Right. We were at the Fontainebleau Hotel in Miami, going by the elevators with Jessica, my friend, and she knew you from the world of TV and introduced us. Right. That's correct.
Okay. And what happened then? I was with my company and a bunch of guys going up to watch football on a Saturday night, because it's the end of January and it's the playoffs, and there you were with Jessica, and I just got introduced, took one look and said, "It's over." Really? Did you really think that? I did. I did. What? How come? Well, I'd been divorced for four or five years at that point, and I guess I was ready, and you were who I was looking for all along. Because why? Because I was— No, it's just, you seemed very sweet, and I didn't know you yet. But what— Wait, what do you mean I seem sweet and you didn't know me yet?
Anyway, I did go back up to watch football, and a few phone calls, and came down to really meet her. And we did, and met at the bar, and talked a couple times during that convention. And I remember walking you and Jessica back to our side of the hotel, and you took off your shoes as you're walking in this hallway in this hotel in Miami, and I immediately had two thoughts. One was, that's disgusting. She's walking in bare feet in the lobby of a hotel. And the other thought was, wow, she's perfect size. Perfect everything. The perfect height. Perfect height. Perfect everything. But her feet are disgusting. So that was a problem.
Okay. So that was the one night. That's when we met. That's when we met. Well, that was like a couple of nights in. It's a couple of nights. But we didn't go out on our own. We didn't have dinner. We didn't have drinks. No, no, no, no. I kept commuting from Los Angeles to New York. No, no. I mean that night at the Fontainebleau. So also we took an elevator ride together, right? You want to tell about that elevator ride? Yes. That you remember? That you tell all the time. We went after that long walk to our side of the hotel, and we had an elevator. There were two young, you know, teenage guys in the elevator, and you and Jessica got off on whatever the fourth floor, and I was going up higher, and you both gave me a kiss good night, and these two kids looked at me and said, "Cool, you just got kissed by two cougars." And I looked at these two boys and I said, "They're not cougars to me, boys." Ah, you like that story, don't you? I love that. Yes.
Okay, so who was interested? It says, "What did you think of each other when you first met? Who was interested first?" Oh, well, that was clearly me, because I'm the one that kept flying back to take you to dinner and ask you out. And so, just for people who understand, I lived in L.A. You were living in L.A. and I was living in New York, and I was doing the news at night, and you were doing your job and living in L.A., right. And I did have to be in New York from time to time. Right. And so in order to go out, you would fly back here to take me to dinner. Mhm. I'd spend the whole weekend waiting for either Saturday night or Sunday night, but I'd fly in. And you thought, you know, I was just— I was in New York anyway, so why not? And that went on for many months. But you had friends going, "Dude, stop." Like, no, no, I know. It was the "she's just not that into you" conversation about me. But I was nothing if not persistent. Did you know it was going to ultimately work out? I don't know if I knew, but I was determined.
Okay. So, how long were you dating before you both knew this was serious? Well, for me it was probably a matter of months, and for you it was probably a year. Yeah, it was probably a year, right. You had your stupid four-season rule. You have to really know somebody through four different seasons to really get to know them. Otherwise, it could just be infatuation, and you were so worried it was going to be just infatuation and I was just going to stop being nice. You don't think that's a good rule though? I think it depends on the person. I think it's a good rule. So, I think the four-season rule is not because if someone's going to lose interest in you, but the four-season rule is, there's so many different parts of what happens throughout a year, right? Forget about seasons, but it kind of goes with seasons. You have the summertime where everyone's a little loosey-goosier, right? Then you go into fall and people kind of buckle down, working hard. Then you go into winter where it might not be as fun to do things, so maybe you're going to have to be inside or be creative. Family stuff comes up, and then you come around, and that's still kind of winter, and then you go into spring, which, you know, I just think that there are all these different things that happen throughout the course of a year, and you want to see what somebody's like with all those. Don't you think we did that? I know we did that. Not always by choice, but we did that. Much to your chagrin.
Okay. So when we first went out, I had a weird schedule, so let's just start there. It was very hard to go out. We'd either have to go out to dinner between shows, we'd either have to see each other on late Friday night, like at 11:30. Our 11:30 dinner on Friday night. We had an 11:30 standing dinner on Friday nights. Saturday or Sunday. And usually then I was kind of pretty beat up and exhausted, or we could go out after the newscast. And so the first time we went out was after the newscast, and we went to this bar, the place across the street— Oh, you're talking about the first time we went out. Oh, that was an 11:30. Yeah, we went across. Yeah. Yeah. And we were both— we had both gone through a divorce pretty much around the same time, I would say. And I was probably a little further ahead in the process, but, you know, it had been years at this point for both of us. And we both said— well, I remember both of us saying, "I'm never going to get married again." Do you remember saying that? Yes. Did you think that? I didn't know. I wasn't looking to get married again. But you didn't know if you would, or you just thought like at that point that's not what— Because I was 100% sure. Well, you were 100% against it. I was 100% against it. Not marriage, but for me, I would never put myself back in that situation again. You didn't feel like that though. No. What did you feel like? No. I felt like it depends on the person. I mean, I realized that with you.
When did you know you were going to marry me? I would say within the first year. Yeah. Really? Okay. I never even asked you that. I sleep next to you every night. I never even asked you that. Okay. Come over to the fun side. So, okay. That's what we call the bed. Like, his side of the bed is a fun, relaxing side, and my side is a side of fret, stress, and worry. What am I going to do? What am I going to do? What am I going to— So I lay in bed and I'm thinking of all the things that are going to possibly go wrong tomorrow. And he's like, this is great. Everything's happy in the world.
Okay. After both of us having had marriages, were you scared to trust your judgment again? No, not at all. No. Why? I think I'm just a confident person. I don't know. I just— I wasn't. You were damaged. You came through a horrible situation. Yeah. I was divorced differently, and it was a totally different situation, and I had a family and everything was great. It was just different circumstances. You were recovering from that and not fully recovered, and I was fine. Not perfect, of course, but fine, and was falling in love with you. So I wasn't worried about anything. Yeah, I think I was like, did not trust. That's maybe kind of where my four-season rule came from. Like I didn't totally trust my judgment. You didn't trust your judgment. You didn't know who you were. You were a news anchor. That was all you thought about. That was it. And I had Brooke Baldwin on today before you got here, and we were just talking about the exact same stuff. Like you're 100,000% in your career. Nothing else existed. And you had this good-girl syndrome where all you wanted to do was please everybody, and you didn't even know how to please yourself.
We were talking, it was months in, but it wasn't that long. And we were at one of our little places in the West Village, and we went outside, and you said, "I have a question." I was like, what? What? What are you asking? He says, "Are you falling in love with me?" And I said, "Yes." And you said, "Are you falling in love with me because I'm a news anchor?" And I looked at you and I said, "No, I'm falling in love with you in spite of the fact that you're a news anchor." Why? It was a huge negative. It's a horrible job. People tell you what to do. People hit on you all day long. It was awful. You want to go out? You want to take a Friday off? "Oh, I'll ask." Really? You have to ask. You're a grown woman. Well, I mean, that's pretty normal.
Okay. So, the question is, what did you both learn from your first marriages that you brought into this relationship? So I'll speak first, because I speak about my first marriage. I know you really don't, which is fine. I think I learned that all of the going along to get along, and change who I am to make the day be peaceful, will never work at the end of the day, right? So, just an example, I loved traveling. The person I was with didn't love traveling. So I'm like, okay, to make it work, I can just sit and watch TV. And that would never work for me. So I think I learned how to find my voice in a relationship a little bit better. Now, you're probably like, oh, I wish she had left some of her voice behind. I wish she didn't have that much of a voice. But I think that I learned how to find my voice in a relationship. I definitely learned that from that first. Well, I think it's very different for each of us, because I mean, I had kids and different things. So it's not so much what I learned. I think as you evolve, I think you learn. You know, there's two stages to life. The life you learn with, and the life you live after that. And I think I learned what I really wanted. I was grateful for everything I had and everything I did. And I don't regret anything. And then I was also really happy that I met you.
Full disclosure, when Ira met me, he was single. He's in L.A. And he told me his weekends were totally relaxed, versus fast-forward to the weekends that he has now with me, where we got to go to a Broadway show, let's figure out what we're doing next, got to keep going, got to have plans. And then he'd be like, my plans today are to drop off the dry cleaning and to have dinner with my son or my best friend, or to maybe play golf. So life has changed for you since being married. For sure. Quite a bit.
Okay. Ira, you already had kids, and you met Tamsen. How did you know when it was time to bring Tamsen into that part of your life? Well, my kids were also grown when we met. So they were in their 20s when we met. Mid to late 20s, each of them. And I think it was pretty soon, because I'm pretty close with both kids. And so it was, you know, I was seeing someone, she's great, and this is what I'm doing. And I think it was, I don't know, six months maybe, give or take. Mhm. And they were really happy for you. Oh, yeah. That's good. Yeah. They were very happy. And I'm like the cool aunt. You're the cool aunt. Yes. They love you. Well, it's different, because they weren't young, and so I wasn't trying to like— No, you didn't have to be mom. Yeah. Yeah.
What was it like figuring out your place in a family that already existed? Oh, that's a good question. Well, again, I think it's different, because I have a lot of friends that got into relationships when kids were young, like six and seven and 10 and 12, and they still needed things, right? Being driven somewhere and stuff. But your kids were adults. So I think it's been pretty easy. I mean, I think we all have our place in the family, right? I think there wasn't an expectation that you had to do something, or something you shouldn't do or couldn't do or needed to do. It was fine. It's just a closeness that you know from spending time together. And as you know, look, as far as me with your family, I thought they were great, and your dad especially, from the first moment we met, and he warned me. What did my dad warn you? The first thing he ever said, I was— we went to Tampa, and he said, "I hope you know the parade of losers that have been through this living room."
That's what he said. Did you think he was just being funny? I did, and then I learned that he wasn't. And then what did he say to you? And then he said, "Well, evidently I think you have a good way of dealing with her idiosyncrasies." I think that was good. Did that— I thought it was kind of funny. I thought it was odd. I thought it was like, wow, what have I gotten into? I mean, you know, but you kept going. Kept going. Right. And here you are. Yes.
Okay. How did you propose? And did I have any idea it was coming? So I'll answer first. I had no idea it was coming. I don't even understand why I didn't have any idea. Was I just so wrapped up in my own world? You were still worried about being a newscaster and doing all that stuff and everything else, and what everybody thought, and who could know stuff and who couldn't know stuff and everything. You were so not well as a person still. I really wasn't. And you weren't. And for me, I'm like, look, we're not getting any younger. Let's— I wanted to marry. I was in love with you, and I think you were in love with me too, and let's do this. And I had a great trip planned to Capri, and I had it all planned out, and that's where I was going to propose, and then COVID hit. So I love the water, and so the closest thing that summer was renting a house in the Hamptons with a pool, because I wasn't putting it off for, you know, whenever COVID was going to end, a year or so later. And so that's— and I did it.
Poor Ira. When he proposed, I had no idea what was going on. So some of my friends were there, and I'm like, let's all go have dinner together. So Ira's got this ring in his bag. But we had plans to have dinner with those particular friends the next night, right? But I didn't know. So I invited them that night, because I always like to change plans. So we were like four hours late to Ira's proposal, because we just dragged on the night. And then what happened? I was exhausted. It ended up a midnight drink on the deck overlooking the pool that we couldn't see. Not ideal in retrospect, but I think it was pretty ideal. I think it was ideal. And we drank out of red plastic cups. Yes. Which I know you hate. The toast. That's how much I loved you.
Okay. I put a lot of pictures online of us, you know. So, what was your wedding day like? Did you approach a wedding day differently because it was a second marriage for both of you? Was it smaller or more intimate? So, for me, I don't think it was smaller, but I definitely approached it thinking, am I supposed to be in a white dress? This is my second marriage. Maybe I'm not supposed to make such a big deal out of it, because I failed the first time around. So I had all these preconceived notions of what I shouldn't and should do for the wedding, but then I was like, screw that. And I wore a white dress. We had a big wedding. We went, you know, it was like a big— We really wanted that. Oh, I guess big, from my head, was like 100 people. 60. Oh, really? No, it wasn't 60. 70 maybe. That was it. You're wrong. I could count them in the picture. Definitely. I'll figure it out tonight. Okay. But— No. So I think— No, maybe it was like 80. Okay. I'm at 70. You're at 80. We're getting closer. I think I'm right. But continue.
It was— we wanted it to be a party. We just passed our five-year anniversary, which I can't believe. And it was October 2nd. Right. Right. 2021. And so did you approach it any differently this one? Like, you don't think about those. You weren't like, oh, maybe I should wear a tux, or I don't wear a tux. No. No. No, I didn't think. I just was thinking about how happy I was and how lucky I was, and I wanted to have everybody who I was close with, some business friends and personal friends and family, and have a party and celebrate it. That was it. Yeah, we had a really good time, and we had a great time. It was a great party, and people still bring it up now because we made it a party. We didn't have a sit-down dinner. We had like, you know— No, it was great. I would do it all over again the same way. Thank you. We were supposed to remember, I said if we make it to five years, we should have another big party. Okay. Instead, I got you on the podcast, but it's okay.
Ira, you're a very private person, and Tamsen shares so much of her life publicly. How does that work between the two of you? Well, you know, you're clearly a public personality and I'm not. And I've spent my career being behind people who are public personalities and doing things like the Wendy Williams Show and Sherri Shepherd, and we do Family Feud with Steve Harvey, and that kind of thing. And so I enjoy the business side of the entertainment business and not being in this sort of environment. What did you think though? Because, you know, I was asked to do a lot of different things very publicly, then a show, and you were like, oh no, my life is not going to be out for public display. You know, I'd been asked about Real Housewives. Oh, yeah. That would be bad. Why? Because I wouldn't do that. And I would have to be like, oh, there's my husband, but you can only hear his voice, right? Or maybe not even your voice, for negotiating. No, I have no interest in that. If I had one, I'd love to have Real Housewives, because it makes a lot of money. It's a very successful show. I have zero interest. No, I think it's just because I love what that show does, and I love how they produce it, and what he does, and I have ultimate respect for Andy Cohen. I think he's amazing. I think what he has created and still creates is unbelievable. But as far as being a part of it, zero. So when I told you I might be a part of it, yeah, that would have been bad. That would have been bad. I know. But so you're happy with Instagram. Yeah, I'm happy to, you know, I can change the temperature on the thing, and this counts for talking for like, you know, the next year. No, it doesn't. Johanna said, no, it doesn't. Okay.
How come you got into TV? What did you love about it? I think when I was younger, I sort of looked at advertising and television, and one versus the other. And I just liked the people that were in television, and the ability to do something on a business level that then everybody would see. And I thought that was pretty cool. So, do you know talent when you see it? Like, did you know when you were, you know, saying yes to talent— I think that's a hard question. I think you can say yes to— Most TV shows don't work. Most things fail in business. And so I think when you see stuff, there's certain elements that you look for, and I like a unique voice. Like when we did Wendy Williams, there were certainly challenges, but God, she had a great voice. She had a great unique point of view of everything. And so as we developed that show and rolled it out and did it, I mean, that was probably one of the most satisfying things we've ever done, was taking it from a radio show, a shock jock, and making her a daytime TV, you know, big successful personality. And that's one of the things I'm— Is that one of your favorite examples? Yeah. And obviously Family Feud, you know, from its inception. I've sold the show twice. I sold it when I was a kid in the '80s, and then came back to it in the early, like, 2008, 2009, and then being lucky enough with Fremantle to put Steve Harvey in it and have it blow up in such a great way, because of the show and how they produce it and Steve's talent around it. And he has that magical, you know, just makes a face and everything works.
What do you think people would be most surprised to learn about Tamsen at home? I don't know if I like that question. Yeah. Well, generally how together you are, and how dressed up and beautiful, and all your clothes, and like the moment you get home, I can't get a cup of water before you're in your pajamas or sweats or something that you never photograph in. It's so true. It's so true. I can't wait to get out of clothes. I hate clothes.
Okay. What are you two complete opposites about? Where are we totally opposites? Many things. Okay. Name the big one. I already know. What do you mean? Like temperature. I mean, what are we opposite about in life? Like planning. Oh, you never have a plan. And when you do have a plan, it never goes the way it's planned. And I just want to have a plan. Make the plan and then relax and do what we planned. Ira's idea of a great life is to make sure every dinner is categorized, every moment that we're going to leave the house, that we know exactly what that day looks like. He wants to go over my schedule when we get an Uber. You want to get an Uber whenever. What? And I'm like, well, you get it in the house because you have Wi-Fi, and then you go in the elevator and you go downstairs, and you're like, no, we'll just get it on the way. Well, you don't all of a sudden have Wi-Fi in an elevator that cuts out your phone every single time. So now you're going to go downstairs and get the Uber then. And I just— it's not a surprise.
What do we actually fight about? I don't know. Okay. I think it was a scheduling thing again. I'm like, yeah, I'm not ready yet. And you're like, we've already known. We've already known. We've got to be there in five. We've got to be there on time. We've got to be there on time. And I'm like, but if we're not on time, we're five minutes late. No one's going to die. It's fine. So that's our— I like to be early or on time, and you're like, we'll get there when we get there. It's fine. Yeah. I mean, I think that I'm much more— I think that people would agree. Okay. People would agree more people would agree with you. No, I think it's 50/50. Okay.
What is a really good, completely normal day together look like for you? Well, I think we've done a few of those recently, and that was fun. It's, you know, getting up, walking across the park, you know, three, four miles, whatever. Either having a workout— we did Pilates together last week. We've done other things like that. And then going to a brunch, and then, unfortunately for me, walking some more, maybe a little shopping, and then home and watch a movie. Chill out. Chill out. I cooked for you last night. Mhm. You did. Do you want to go to that? That's why we're going out tonight. Sorry, I tried. It was a good effort. It was a good effort.
Are we good travel partners? Who plans? Who overpacks? And have you ever had a trip together that went off the rails? No, we've never had a trip— I'll go backwards. We've never had a trip that went off the rails. None off the rails. You pack many suitcases, and although lately you've been much better. Much better. Much better. But even when we went to Italy, I had, you know, a carry-on. I had a carry-on. Yeah, that's— And I'm totally the planner— Ira plans everything. I don't know where we're going. I don't know what we're doing, what time we're going, what time we're getting there, how did this car come and know to pick us up, what time is the plane, where is the plane, which— what's the gate? What? Nothing. Do I have my passport? Do I have my passport? Do I have my ticket?
We literally went to Tampa a few weeks ago on the weekend, and you were of course on the phone as we got to the airport, and because it was, I think it was United, and I had both our tickets on my phone, and we literally were walking in on a Saturday morning or something to get the flight, and we get to the gate, you know, the part where you have to show your ticket, and you're on the phone saying, "Oh, wait. I don't have a ticket." I said, "Follow me. I have your ticket." Yeah. I just— I didn't even think about it. I didn't even think about— I'm freaking out if it's 24 hours before and it didn't download immediately. Yeah, that would be what we fight about the most.
Are we similar socially, or is one of you trying to convince the other to go out or stay home? I think lately we're more— we're both happy to stay home. I know lately we're both happy to stay home, but I think I do like to go out. I mean, I do like to have something to do. I want to go to a Broadway show. You want to go and do, and I'm happy to not. Yeah. You'd rather just— Although I'm more social with people. What does that mean? I'd be more likely, well, more in Los Angeles than here, but to go out with other people. Yeah. I would much rather not do that, right? Yep. Okay.
Ira, you had a front-row seat when Tamsen decided to leave television after 30 years. What was that period actually like from your perspective? It was great, because I'd been trying to convince you to do this for quite some time. But I don't really remember that. I really don't. I remember being very torn. Like, is it— because you were still getting over the fact that your whole identity was wrapped up in being a primetime news anchor. That's who you were. And I was saying, you're this wonderful person. You're really smart. You advocate for everyone else but yourself. It's time you advocated for yourself on behalf of everyone else. And I think that making that transition to do that full-time was scary, because now you were giving up your career, your income, your own money, all that stuff. And all of a sudden it was, gee, you know, I wonder if I can get a sponsor. I wonder if I can get a brand deal, a brand deal, anything, let alone all the brand deals that you've gotten, and the podcast and everything else, and the bestselling book, and all that stuff has happened in a few years, which has been amazing, but it was pushing to make you do— Yeah, it was really scary. It was really scary.
Okay. What has been the strangest part of watching Tamsen go from being a local news anchor to having millions of people following her online? Well, what's been amazing, somebody asked me that once before, and it was like, what's the difference between being with her as the newscaster, when somebody says, "Oh, you're the news anchor," versus today. And the difference is, I think, really profound, because when someone would recognize you as the news anchor, it's just very surface. It's just, oh, you're the news anchor, and I'm seeing you in person, and you're that lady on TV, and it's amazing that I'm seeing you here. Now, most of the time, I would say 90% of the time when a woman comes up to you, it's to say, not only do I recognize you, I follow you. You're my friend. You're a mentor. You've changed my life. And generally, they start crying. I said, to do that for anyone, let alone for thousands and hundreds of thousands and millions of women that follow, is pretty incredible. That's the difference. That was so nice. I didn't know someone asked you that recently. Mhm. I don't tell you everything. Clearly not.
Do people recognize you from only when I'm at one of your events? Ira, how much did you know about menopause before Tamsen started going through it? Nothing is the answer. And I learned with you, because we were together when you found out you were in it, and they answered those, you know, however many of the four fateful words, when we were in that Tampa airport and you got the thing from the doctor that said, "In menopause. Any questions?" I was like— and you were freaking out, and I was sitting there not knowing what to say or do, because I didn't know what it meant either. So it's just like, we have to board. Remember when I was like, I can't have kids now. And you're like, wait, didn't we already decide that? We already had crossed that bridge. We had crossed that bridge.
Do you remember what I was experiencing during that time though? If you go back and you look at the symptoms and stuff, like I'm just thinking, I mean, there was some. Do you remember? Yeah. I mean, hot flashes, irritability, all— that's what do you want me to say? Do you remember them though? No. You don't remember them? Yeah, because I was suffering. Yeah, I was suffering. That was a trick question. Okay. Has everything you've learned since changed the way you think husbands and partners should look at menopause now? Look, I think menopause is like everything else. It's something that you're going through. So if something really is affecting you, then it's affecting us, and it's affecting me. So I've learned to be, you know, understanding, open-minded, try to learn about things. Yes. You're so cute. Okay. Remember when I wrote about it in the book and you were like, what does this book say? What does this chapter? Yes, I remember that. Yeah.
Do you know each other's love languages? I'll say your love language is laughing. Okay. You love to laugh. Love. Well, I don't understand. What's the love language? Are physical touch, words of affirmation, quality time, and gifts. Oh, I know mine. Okay. I don't know. What's yours, honey? Just spending time. Oh, wait. What's mine is the question? All those things that she said. Yours is time and touch. Yours is touch. Yours is not gifts, for sure. Yeah. No, mine are all of them. Yes. You have all of the above. You're scared to just say gifts, aren't you, right? Yeah, I know.
Do you talk about getting older together and what you want this next chapter of your lives to look like? Well, I talk about it all the time, because I can't not talk about it. Ira is like, you're not a big future planner. I always go, what do you think it's going to be like in our next five years of life? Like, what do we want to do? Do we need to pick a hobby? Do we need to— where are we going to travel? You know, what are we going to do with this? When are we— And so that's where I like the planning. You don't think like that. Well, you don't, because I'm about what's actionable, and that's not action. Like, you want to pick out what you want to do in five years. You're worried about what you're doing in the next five minutes. So it's hard to reconcile those two things. I'm trying to— You don't think about what you want in the next chapter of life. I do, but it's like I'm not thinking about what's going to happen in 5 years or 10 years or 15. Like, what's the difference? Enjoy what you're doing now. Work hard. Make as much money as you can so that you have options all the time. That's all. Yeah. I never like that answer. Yeah. Okay.
Ira, what is something about Tamsen that makes absolutely no sense to you, even after all these years? I don't know. How much caffeine you consume in a day? Really? There's a lot. Tamsen, same question about Ira. What makes no sense to me? I think what makes no sense to me is how you do all the things you do business-wise, but you barely are computer literate. You know, and then you write everything down, and it's really cute and sweet and old school, but like, you're so smart and you do so much amazing stuff. It just blows my mind sometimes that you keep a notepad of all the people, all your friends, that you're going to see from time to time, and you make sure— you're just very organized, but not in how I am, which I'm not. Which you're not. No. Okay. So everybody's got to do what they got to do. I think I could maybe be a little looser, and you could maybe plan a little more.
Okay. What do you think the key is to our relationship working? I think we do laugh. I think we just genuinely have fun together. Yeah. I think when I think about people that ask, how am I going to meet somebody like Ira, because that's a really serious question, and I think about it. Like, before I met you, I definitely think I was going to meet somebody, and I definitely didn't think I was going to get married again. And so I wouldn't say that, oh, I had this plan, and I set out, here was my list, and here were all the things on my list that I know I'm going to meet somebody. I think it was that I was so— because I wanted to meet somebody to spend time with, but I just wasn't into the marriage thing. I think I was just really open about meeting people, you know what I mean? And I would go to dinners, or I would go to lunches, and I told everybody I knew I was single. I think that that's one of the answers I give to people a lot, how to meet somebody at this age, because it's not easy, you know, especially— like, you never went online dating. I never went online dating. So, but I think it's hard to meet people. Do you have any thoughts about that? No, I think it's just knowing— part of it is knowing who you are and knowing what you want as a person. And then I think if that's clear for yourself, I think it just makes it easier. Do you think people feel that? Yeah, I think they do. Yeah. Did you feel that about me, that I knew who I was and I knew it all? No, you totally didn't. That's why.
Do you have any questions for me? What's your favorite part of the day? Any day. Any day. Today. Today. Today. This is my favorite part of the day today. It's a trick question. You got that right. But I do like laughing with you. I didn't do that for a long time in my life. Mhm. What's next for you, Ira? Well, I think there's lots of business challenges that I'd like to face, and hopefully work on and get through. And I think that's going to be a lot of fun. The industry is at a crossroads, and I'm sort of excited and inspired to do that. Well, now that you've survived this episode of The Tamsen Show, would you come back? Not tomorrow. When, but soon. Soon. I so hope you enjoyed this episode.
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