For some daughters, they may have had a lot of cozy loving moments with mom, but didn't always feel safe, let's say. Right. Or couldn't really look to her for guidance because either she died during formative years or she didn't get the chance to develop herself. So, she can't necessarily guide her daughter into full development. So, depending on which developmental need was missing or if all three were missing, it can definitely impact the degree of mother hunger.So, where does that show up later in life or how does how does that start showing up especially in the in the I guess anytime, but in your 20s, 30s, 40s and and keep going? It's different in each one of those decades? I find that it is very different in each one of those decades that younger women in their 20s and 30s, unless their mother died young, Right. Are not necessarily ready or able to examine deeply the relationship with mom. And I think there are lots of reasons for that.First of all, as women, we always want our mom. Yeah. We will always need our mom. So, to question that relationship could be really deeply threatening to the most important bond that we have. And I think Mother Nature protects us from that.So, it may take a woman going through a rite of passage such as marriage or childbirth or the loss of something very significant when she really again needs her mother. And if mom is not able to show up, it's more evident later in life than as children when Mother Nature can't let us see if mom's not showing up. Right. We think the problem's us. Let's say mom can't be present when we really need her.
It doesn't occur to us that maybe she's having a bad day. Or not feeling well. Instead, what we'll come up with is a different way to react. So, maybe we get her attention. And that forms our personality.
What are some of the the ways that you see women in particular? I know I know we're kind of generalizing here, but when a woman has lost a mother or is not close to a mother or is estranged, how does that show up in a relationship? Does that show up in a relationship romantic relationships or all relationships that we're talking about? It can impact all relationships. So, if we think about this, for all of us, our first love is our mother.
We fall in love in utero. We hear her voice. We know the sound of her heartbeat. We know her smell. And so, when we come into the world, we're designed to stay close to her.
Based on how that unfolds, it's going to set our attachment style. Do we attach anxiously? Do we attach avoidantly? Are we a little disorganized or are we securely happily attached? Now, most of us who are securely happily attached do not end up in my office.
Understood. The one the ones that do, what are the what are those different attachments if we break down each one of those? Right. It's really nice that attachment theory has become part of mainstream dialogue. It's got It's got a word.
Yes, and I think more of us are kind of finding good information about what does it mean to be anxious or avoidant, but it's good to keep in mind these terms were created for research purposes, not so that we label ourselves. Not for Instagram? Not for just Instagram. Exactly. But but there's some real validity to to seeing how we predominantly attach because our attachment system is a biological drive that is the strongest drive in our entire body.
Right. Stronger than the need even to protect ourselves. So how we attach is essential and we learn that with our first primary caregiver. So let's say we needed more. We wanted more attention.
We needed more attunement. We needed more presence. We're probably going to end up on closer on the insecure spectrum of anxiety. We're going to feel anxious. We're going to want and need more than we're comfortable with.
I find that women who are on the more anxious end of the spectrum identify with mother hunger pretty readily. Right. As soon as they hear the term, their belly recognizes it. Like, oh, that's what this is. Huge relief.
On the flip side though, let's say a woman experienced her mother as maybe suffocating. Little too much, Mom. Or there was so little that at a very young age the need for her shut down. Like I I just won't need anything and then it won't hurt that she's not here. Right.
So whether we become needless, wantless or we've been a little suffocated, we may be on the avoidant spectrum where we're just like, "I don't identify a need. I don't need a relational closeness." The truth is we're all somewhere on that spectrum if we are not securely attached. Right. The science says 50% of us are securely attached. Wow.
I find that really generous. Do you? Yes, I do because probably because my perspective I've talked to thousands of women who did not experience enough nurturing or protection or guidance and don't feel securely attached. So, it can impact relationships with friends with lovers with children that you may or may not have, with employers, with everyone because our relationship with our mother sets the template for all others. If somebody is listening to this right now and they're trying to figure out whether or not this is something that they're they're dealing with.
I mean obviously if you've lost your mother that's that's a little more obvious. If you have a mother here but you might not have that closeness but you don't know exactly you know, if you if you fall into one of these categories, how do you identify that in yourself? Well it's not easy. And the reason it's so difficult is because of the primary nature of this bond, how important this bond is. Our body's really designed to keep us unaware.
To protect us? To protect us. Mother nature's very gentle and so it's actually there's a researcher psychologist Jennifer Fried who wrote the book Betrayal Blindness. And she wrote it for women who have experienced infidelity in their romantic relationships and how we can just not know. We can truly not know what's happening.
We don't see it. Mother nature has blinders on us. And when we find out, it can be terribly shocking and really difficult. So, I took that theory to apply what happens when a little girl has a mother who can be frightening. Mother nature will protect us from knowing that.
Or let's say that she's just unavailable or not feeling well, but we need her. We're going to miss the ways she's unavailable. And then we may find ourselves attracted to friends who are not available or lovers who are not available. So, let's talk about the two areas. It can go into relationships, it can go into food.
Relationships with regard to partners. What kind of relationships would you find that person unavailable is one one type of attachment, right? Right. You know, and it's interesting because whoever we're in relationship with, we may find our attachment style sliding on the spectrum. Sure.
For example, for me, if I am attracting a partner who is more on the anxious end of the spectrum, perhaps more needy, wants more of me than my intimacy threshold might be comfortable with, I'm going to look avoidant. I'm going to back off. Flip side, if I'm in a relationship with someone who's more avoidant, they have lots of other priorities, I'm not one of them, I'm going to look a lot more anxious. That's really normal. That's part of the spectrum.
And what I have found with my clients and with myself is that in romantic relationships specifically, I may flip-flop. So, if I've experienced a romantic relationship as a little suffocating, I was with someone who was more anxious than I. Right. The next time I'm dating someone or intrigued, probably they're going to be more avoidant. The other way.
Yeah. And then how does it apply to food in the relation And why is there a relationship with food when it comes to mothers? Such a good question. And it's interesting because when I was thinking of writing this book, my clients were like, "Please talk about food." Really? I think it impacts so many of us as women in this culture and the eating disorder language can be very helpful if it's critical.
Sure. But for those of us that are on a spectrum of eating that we're not really comfortable with, it doesn't always help. So, I have come to understand mother hunger, and I use the word hunger because hunger is biological. We have to eat. The need for love is biological.
We have to attach. If that attachment doesn't happen early, and let's say we're born to a mother who's not available very often, and we're passed around a bunch of caregivers, and some feed us well, and some don't. Or let's say we're born to a mother who tries her best, she's holding us, she's feeding us, nursing us, but she's not really comfortable, and we're not really comfortable in her arms. The first experience we have of feeling good may come from a full belly. Oh, wow.
Okay. When we're full, a comfort. It literally feels like a hug. A hunger pain. So, does does that mother hunger, though, go right into eating disorder or food food relationships or different types of relationships with food?
What is that correlation? Whenever I work with women, whether they're healing their relationship with their body and food or with lovers and friends, the root is mother hunger. Was that that surprise you? I mean, did it just keep coming up over and over? How did that happen that you would realize that?
I think what surprised me is there was nothing in my clinical training that prepared me for this. It wasn't discussed. The primacy of early attachment was not being looked at. And so I was needing to go find other ways to train myself. One of the anthropologist authors I really enjoyed learning from was Helen Fisher, Dr.
Helen Fisher. She talks about how when we fall in love, it's temporary madness. We literally lose our mind. And that's universal because there's so much dopamine when we fall in love, and we need that dopamine to feel good. They did brain scans on the brain in love and noticed that the same parts of the brain light up with love as cocaine.
And so when you think about how primary this need for love is, if it's not getting met in a healthy way, we're going to find a substitute. We have to. Yeah. And a lot of times the first substitute we have access to before the high that comes from cocaine or alcohol or work is food. It totally It totally makes sense.
All right, let's talk about the different types of love there are because I know that you've talked about toxic love before, healthy love. There's a lot of different types that come out of this. Does that all stem from from your mother? Well, let's look again at the word mother. When we think of what does a mother do, I was not sure when I was going to write this book.
I was seeing mother hunger in my office. Yeah. I had named it. I didn't know how to operationalize it or write about it. So I looked up in the dictionary, what's the definition of mothering?
And it said to care for someone as a mother would. How's that helpful? So, I think there's a real blind spot here culturally about the primacy of the mother-child dyad. Yeah. How important it is.
With that said, any adult who has the time, the willingness to nurture, protect, and guide the child can do that. It doesn't have to be the biological mother, but it needs to be a primary attachment figure who's spending most of the time with this child in order for secure attachment to happen. So, even though we're saying mother hunger, I like to think of mother in terms of those three things. When we need a mother, we need nurturing. When we need a mother, we need protection.
And we need guidance. There are women that are not yet grieving the lack of a mother. Yeah. Do you Do you notice that it comes up years later? I mean, I find myself often times when I said, "Oh, my mom's not alive." Someone will say, "I'm sorry." I go, "It's okay." I don't want to I don't even want to talk about it.
Not because I because I don't want to make them uncomfortable. Exactly. Not not because I make because I don't want to make them uncomfortable. So, I don't know if that's a form of grief. I don't know if that's a form of us protecting somebody else.
But, can we talk a little bit about grief and I don't think that just ends in the first 3 years of loss, whatever type of loss it is. I love that you said whatever kind of loss it is because a lot of mother hunger is ambiguous loss. Meaning, unless she died, if she's physically there, but emotionally not there, we're going to feel the loss, but not know what it is or why. So, a lot of mother hunger is very ambiguous. And for this reason, and because it's taboo to talk about our mothers in any authentic kind of way, I think the essence of mother hunger is twofold.
One is frozen grief. The grief for not having access to her in the way we need her. Whether she is alive or alive or gone, freezes in our body. Because it's disenfranchised. Where do we go to talk about it?
There's not a support group. If we find out we have cancer, we know we need support in order to go through the healing process of what's going to be involved, the treatments and the visits to doctors. A road map. There's a road map for grief, so the grief doesn't get frozen. It it can flow.
With something that's disenfranchised in our culture that we don't acknowledge or we don't know about, we don't have a name for it, the grief will freeze in the body. That can cause all kinds of complications that we can talk about. But the other element is shame. I think for lots of daughters, lots of us, to even identify that maybe we didn't feel loved by our mother, is going to trigger a a real primal sense of shame. What's wrong with me that she couldn't love me?
What's wrong with me that I lost her? What did I do wrong? How do you move past that with people that you that come to see you, whether it's the frozen grief or the what, you know, what did I do wrong? Well, moving past it can take quite some time and tenderness. And I find that our bodies, the wisdom of our body, knows what we need for healing.
We're designed to heal, actually. But the body will wait till there's the correct environment. The correct environment begins with a name. If the name resonates, the body's already like, "Ah." And healing begins. But then we also need those missing elements.
A name like a person's name or identifying something? A until I knew what I didn't know what it was till I even You don't to identify. You don't even know how to it. Yep. You don't even know what it is.
And I I people feel this way sometimes about the right diagnosis, right? Mhm. Sure. As soon as somebody says, "Oh, well, maybe you're struggling with attention deficit problems." It's like, "Oh." But it's interesting that what children infants need, nurturing protection guidance, I find that that's what my clients need to heal. So, if I can provide the environment that feels nurturing and safe and appropriate guidance, which is where I needed to go get a lot more training because I wasn't taught this.
That's what creates healing. Why do you think you weren't taught that? I believe we live in a culture that sentimentalizes motherhood, romanticizes motherhood, does not give motherhood the right amount of study, not unlike what we're finding with women and menopause or any health issue. The funding isn't there, the priority isn't there, and so a lot of us are wandering around going "What's wrong with my body?" as we enter menopause. I think the same with mothering.
Mothers aren't taught every mother is first a daughter. Where do we learn? From our mothers, from our grandmothers. Where did they learn? And so, I don't think I think psychology, just like medicine, is not well informed about the primacy of this relationship.
It's interesting you say that people walking around trying to figure it out because I do I do feel like that's what it's like in midlife. I feel like there's no more that road map for women. And I I do wonder whether you have a mother or not, how midlife is defined in that second half by that relationship with the mother. You know, whether or not you you look at your mother and see them going through certain things as they've gotten older. Or like how we're going to live in the second half is probably going to be very different from how our at least our grandmothers lived because we're going to have longevity.
We're going to probably going to have a little better health in a lot of ways because we're paying attention to that stuff. But I I just wonder what those relationships in the past do to the next chapter for us. Mhm. Such a powerful question. The relationship with our mothers changes throughout the lifespan.
And I find that some mothers are more transparent with their daughters than others about their own menopause journey. I think every menopause journey is as unique as each mother-daughter bond, perhaps. My mother, for example, if you were to talk to her about menopause, she'd say, "Menopause? I didn't have any problems." No problems at all, you know, never, mhm. But in hindsight, I can remember I didn't know what it was seeing some mood swings and some unpredictable behavior and maybe I even saw some hot flashes, but it was just written off as, "Oh, it's just hot in here." But I did come to it totally unprepared because she sailed through it, so I thought, "It's not going to happen to me." And when Or she thinks she sailed through it.
She thinks she sailed through it. And I do feel like for her mother and for herself, that it wasn't permitted to even admit, "I'm struggling." There was a real ethic of, "I got this. I can do everything." Why do you think we have that as women? Why do you think there is that shamefulness around any type of suffering or admitting suffering? Well, I think when we live in a culture that values pull yourself up by your bootstraps and independence more than interdependence and the fact that we need each other, anything that would make us feel a little vulnerable might also leave us feeling one down.
That we are below someone with more capacity, someone with more power, and that's a threatening feeling. Yeah, there's no question about that. It's interesting you brought up menopause because the number one statement I constantly get is my mother never talked to me about this. Right. Every time.
No one says my dad never told me about menopause. They say my mother never told me about this. So, I do think there's a lot of looking back during this time in life about trying to understand why I feeling a little let down by that, even though it's not your mom's fault or any other female figure. I do I do think there's a little bit of that disappointment there. Which reminds me one of the things I will ask a woman when we're working together to help her identify her story.
What happened when you got your period for the first time? Had you been told about it? Was your mother there? Did you know what was happening? Do you remember what happened?
What What does that show you? Well, our menstruation story can tell us a lot about the mother-daughter bond. Yeah, if the mother's there, present, willing to talk about it open. If she had prepared her daughter. If she was celebratory or if she was repulsed or dismissive.
Generally, how a mother approaches menstruation for her daughter is how she may feel about her own body, her own menstrual cycle. So, I think it's just really positive when I hear of a mother who celebrated it with her daughter. Those stories are not as common as the ones where daughters would begin to bleed and didn't know where her mom was or didn't know what was happening. I'm curious, you know, we get to this age in in midlife where we're often times either taking care of parents. Now, the daughter is is mothering.
We're getting back out there on the dating scene sometimes if someone's gone through a divorce or or widowed or starting over again. So, I want to hit those two areas. First I want to talk about the daughter, you know, mothering elderly parents because I think that's a topic that keeps coming up over and over and there's a lot of confusion around that in your mind about how that's supposed to work. You're so right and I hear over and over again women feeling really guilty when they feel resentful about needing to take care of their mother about being dutiful because if they weren't adequately cared for and now they need to turn around and provide care the ache will re-emerge and it may come with anger and resentment. And I see a lot of women facing burnout when this is happening.
What do you do if you're one of those women dealing with that right now or feeling that type of resentment? I think it's helpful just to know that it's okay. That of course if you were not adequately mothered to turn around now and mother the mother hurts. Physically hurts and it's tiring and you can't really explain it to her and it may feel like nobody understands and you may feel like a really ungrateful daughter if you try to talk to anyone so you get lonely. You don't know what to do with these feelings and so I just think if maybe hearing this can soothe the part of you that feels like a bad girl.
You're not a bad girl. If you feel burned out or tired or you just don't want to do it. Yeah, it's I it keeps coming up over and over again. Let's talk about women that are starting to date again because I do think that we're seeing that. I think that it can be a time where you're either looking for companionship long-term in life, you know, over there for the second half.
But there's a lot of those things that are left over from mother hunger. Mhm. Mother hunger definitely impacts dating at any age. Whether that's when we're teenagers and we're new falling in love. And don't you wish someone had told you, you're never going to forget those first loves?
Yeah. Why is that? Why is that? They're so impactful. And our brain because we have a woman's brain course.
Is designed for relational connection. So, every relational connection that goes into our heart and penetrates, we're going to remember it. But I remember as a little girl and a and a developing adolescent, people saying, "Oh, you know, you're young. You'll get over it." What I have found is that with women with mother hunger, which means on some way we are insecurely attached, sometimes we don't get over those early early heartbreaks that come from love that doesn't go well. But the truth is, whoever we had a crush on, whoever we want to date, whoever we fall in love with is part of our story of how we attach.
Sure. All right, Mother's Day. I want to discuss this one because I this is one of those ones where after my mother died, I avoided malls, I didn't want to talk about it, I completely, you know, shut that off. It can be really triggering for women, whether your mother's here or not, just depending on the relationship. Advice you have to kind of emotionally protect yourself or at least care for yourself during these times.
Mother's Day is so difficult. I hear so many stories of women that would stand in front of the row of Hallmark cards reading them and not one single card felt authentic, felt real. Like, I can't pick up this card because that's not the way my mother That's not how I experience her. And I've talked to women who lost their mothers and on Mother's Day being in school and there are things you're supposed to be doing artwork or projects to bring home to mom. How tragic that is.
I have noticed and I don't know if you've noticed this, but in the last 3 years I've noticed that some social media and marketing campaigns have started to develop some sensitivity to this. They may even put a trigger warning out. If you don't want to hear from about us or about Mother's Day, block us during May. I've been encouraged by this that there's a recognition that this is not going to feel good for everybody. And it can be difficult as a daughter.
It can be difficult as a woman who wanted children and didn't get to have them. It can be difficult for mothers who lost children. It's difficult in so many ways and speaks right to the fact that our culture sentimentalizes it. Minimizes what an essential essential important relationship this is. Yeah, I agree.
I So it's funny. I don't I don't know whether the advice is to ignore social media or to just be I mean, you know, you don't want to go around ignoring everything, but I think that's a tough really a tough day. Now I have figured out like my own methodology of dealing with it, which I just move on and that's it. And I don't know if that's good or bad or denial, but I have noticed those warnings now or people identifying mothers in different ways. They'll say like, you know, somebody who is like a mother to me, somebody who is like, you know, it doesn't have to be somebody that biologically had a, you know, that took care of you.
Right. Or saw you. Maybe it was a third grade teacher who every time you walked into her classroom, her eyes lit up. She clearly took delight in you. That makes an impact.
And that is who you could think about on Mother's Day. Whether it was an aunt, a friend, a babysitter, a teacher, whoever gave you a sense, even if it was only for 30 seconds. Right. Right. That you are delightful.
That's something to think about on Mother's Day. So, do we need to forgive our mothers in order to find healthy love? I think we need to forgive our mothers in order to be happy within ourselves. Forgiveness is something we really do to loosen up any resentment we feel, to let ourselves off the hook of being angry or hurt or jealous. We can forgive our mother whether she's alive or not.
We can forgive our mother whether she apologizes or not. One of the terms I came up with in Mother Hunger is called an apology ache. Most adult daughters that I talked to are aching for their mother to see them, acknowledge where she was hurtful, not available, and say I'm sorry, and change the behavior. Not just say I'm sorry, oh poor me, but literally change the behavior. What I find is that in forgiving our mothers, that apology ache gets smaller.
And then we don't project it onto our lovers and friends. But until we forgive our mothers, we might be looking to our lovers and friends to compensate for where she was actually the one that was hurtful. If somebody is dealing with food as a result of things and emotional eating, are there some tips that you can give us to help somebody who may say, "I'm I'm an emotional eater." Well, being an emotional eater is also part of being human. Eating is is like love. It's nurturing.
So, it depends on on the spectrum of deprivation. Am I working with a woman who's feeling deprived that you starve yourself? I'm going to encourage that eating well is a form of self-care. And fuel. And keeps us healthy in life.
Sure. But that's going to take a long time. If I'm working with a woman who's struggling to find balance because she overeats, again, awareness of health is going to help. Knowing that eating well is part of self-nurturing. And the best way I have found to ask a woman is is would you feed your daughter that way?
Mhm. [clears throat] Even if you don't have a daughter. Right. The hypothetical daughter, would you feed her the way you're eating? What is the most important thing for I think women to take away from this. I think that, you know, women we struggle during this time with a lot of different things.
Many will lose mothers as they go into as they go into midlife or already have or don't have the relationship. Is there one key something that they can take away from it because I do think there's guilt and shame and sometimes anger wrapped up in all these things. You're exactly right. And you don't even know. A couple of things I'd want to say.
I want to validate anger. That part of grief is anger. Part of grief is blame. And those are stages to go through, not to feel guilty about. Anger when it gets mixed with shame, and shame is part of mother hunger because mother hunger is essentially a word for loneliness.
Yeah. Like I'm alone in the world. I don't have a place to land to feel safe and feel good. If you don't have that, what do you do? Do you look for other people that can fill that role?
I mean, I'm sure you fill that role for a lot of your people that come to see you and I'm sure that's not easy, but I'm sure you do. It's an honor. I love that I get to. Nice to hear. I love what I get to do.
But yes, because we're human, we're going to need to fill those needs that were lost. Right. So, if I I out on nurturing, I'm probably going to really need to get regular massage. I'm going to need to eat really well, take walks, take naps, rest. How many of us saw our mothers rest?
Never. Never. Never. It was seen as lazy. But it's actually really a form of nurturing.
And if we didn't see our mother nurture herself, chances are we didn't see her nurture us, either. Let's say that we grew up not feeling very safe. We're going to really want to curate an environment of safety and may not know how to do that. That's where guidance really helps. Depending on the degree of mother hunger, that guidance could come from friends, family, even religious institutions.
But more extreme forms of mother hunger, namely third-degree mother hunger, which is a category that I came up with that explains what happens to the attachment system when a daughter has a mother who was abusive. Okay. Who was actually frightening. So the object of attachment that we desperately need and want is also terrifying. So we learn to bond in fear.
Is that what we do in relationships on the line? And then that's what we do in relationships. We will attract partners that other people might look at and say, "Oh, that's a bad idea." That kind of that person's kind of scary, but we don't see it. Because we grew up bonding to somebody who was untrustworthy. Our love attachment system thrives on that, knows how to deal with it.
That feels like love. And it can take a long time and many broken relationships before a woman may pause and say, "I'm the common denominator here. Something in me is hurting and needs attention. And that's when professional help really helps to identify what was lost, identify that when you attach to someone who was dangerous, it really hijacked your attachment system, and you're going to need to take a break from relationships. Is that Is that the only way to really do it at that point?
Because I think people jump from relationship to relationship to fill that void. The void. Exactly. Exactly. Cuz we can't stand to feel that.
Is that toxic love? Is that Is that really what that is? Or how would you define that? Is just unhealthy relationships? Well, I've called it different things.
When I see a pattern, a woman who's struggling to break the cycle of one relationship after another, and they're starting to get progressively more dangerous, let's say, or more risky, or her value system is getting compromised more and more, that's when it starts to look like an addiction. Yeah. Where we do something, and if you think about falling in love, that dopamine high, the temporary insanity, right? It's pretty euphoric. Sure.
We feel really high. It to last forever. We want it to last forever. And there's a real reason this is biologically so strong. But we can get really attached to those dopamine hormones when we have mother hunger.
Cuz we're hungry. We're starving. Sure. And that feels like what we need. So, it's easy to get trapped in a cycle of falling in love without staying in love.
Got it. Got it. So, you're still chasing You're chasing the high. That's right. You're constantly chasing the high.
That's right. Advice you would give to your younger self as we wrap up right now. There's a lot of young women that listen, and you know, I think they're I think that younger women are learning a lot from social media for it's it's good and it's bad about how to take care of themselves and learning how to nurture a little bit. But do you have any advice for young women who might be listening to this and struggling with mother hunger? I think there's a difference between healthy self-care and nurturing and indulgence.
Sure. Right? That I think a lot of what we see on social media might err on indulgence. And not necessarily teach what the body needs to heal a lack of nurturing. We are touch-driven creatures.
We need touch as much almost as we need food to thrive. And a lot of women learn to get that touch need met by being sexually desirable. Sure. So, we may have to unlearn some unhealthy ways we've gone about getting nurturing because it ends up not being very nurturing. Right?
We may objectify ourselves. We may, put ourselves in harm's way because we're so hungry. So, we're going to have to find healthy ways for touch so that we're not craving that. You're so lovely. Well, you are too, and I'm just wondering how you're doing with this conversation.
Oh, I'm good. I'm good. Yeah, I mean, I've I've had a lot of therapy. Me too. 30 years, actually. Kelly, where can we find you?
I'm on Instagram at Kelly McDaniel Therapy, and you can go to my website, also kellymcdanieltherapy.com. Where you'll find out if I'm doing any speaking or sending out a newsletter. Kelly, thank you so much. It was good having you, really. Such a pleasure to be here, and thank you so much for your powerful work on menopause.
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